Fictional FAP Usage

[lahazard]

Originally Posted by equivocal

The way I read the contract, WB could deorbit the satellites and sell off the gateways as scrap metal and I'd still have to pay out the end of the contract and follow the official cancellation procedure.

Oh gosh. I really needed a belly laugh this morning and this did it! How did Jimmy Buffet put it? "If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane."

[lahazard]

I do have one serious question on this matter. Has anyone who has experienced this (FAP meter not subtracting on a rolling 30 day schedule) ever had WB/Dish correct it?

If not, then it all becomes moot for me as I am not going to spend either the money or time to be the "first."

If so, then it would be helpful to hear what you had to do in order to get a resolution.

Although I do like to whine about my own frustrations with things from time to time, I knew what I was getting into when i signed up for WB - (most of all due to finding this forum before signing a contract) and even with the "loss" of download bandwidth (on the schedule I was expecting) it still beats the only other alternative where I live (really, really crappy dialup.)

Even if... (and it is becoming much more of a very big IF) ...the promised "wireless" system the local government keeps promoting does get installed and up and running, it will be months after my WB/Dish contract ends that it will reach where I actually live. (I started my contract in Oct 07)

(A very positive aside is that our local installer has been extremely responsive and quick on coming to repair my daughter-in-laws system (she works from home) when it had problems.)

There is no question that I would switch to a more economical system if it becomes available after my contract runs out, but considering the alternative at present, (the above mentioned dialup) WB/Dish.....

(even if it only worked 25-50% of the time as "promoted" - and I will note that other than the bandwidth "loss" my actual average speeds are close to the "promoted" speeds 80-90% of the time that I am online)

......is worth the costs and occasional frustration.

fwiw

[lahazard]

An update.....

The FAP is again working as my own documentation expects it to. Tuesday (4/22) it was due to subtract a little over 400 MB and did so. Yesterday it was due to subtract nothing and did so. Today it was due to subtract a little over 500 MB (give or take) and it did so. So at present it seems to be working in a fashion that allows me to plan my future downloads a little better.

The lesson in all of this for me?

Never count my bandwidth bank until it's actually there. (And even then plan ahead for the possibility of undocumented garnishment of the balances.)

[rahmrh]

I got 2 odd increases on the upload side at 16:15 and at 17:30 both around 200MB, my router did not register any actual data going out, and typically uploads for me are 20-40MB/day, so the blip is fairly significant.

Anyone else see this sort of blip? My data is below:

05/09/2008 15:45:38 665 6456
05/09/2008 16:01:01 665 6456
05/09/2008 16:15:52 848 6443
05/09/2008 16:30:47 849 6444
05/09/2008 16:45:37 849 6450
05/09/2008 17:01:01 849 6450
05/09/2008 17:15:53 848 6439
05/09/2008 17:30:46 1034 6459
05/09/2008 17:45:43 1034 6459
05/09/2008 18:01:02 1034 6459

Roger

[Spice300]

That's unusual. Even when uploading a file, the download usage increases a little. My FAP meter is not showing fictional upload usage like yours.

[grover92000]

Originally Posted by rahmrh

Anyone else see this sort of blip?

I've seen 6 of these unexplained spikes over the last couple of weeks. First on the 26th - 27th of April:

4/26/2008 19:45:01 151:800 174:1287
4/26/2008 20:00:02 296:800 174:1288

4/26/2008 20:45:01 296:800 175:1288
4/26/2008 21:00:01 441:800 175:1289

4/26/2008 21:30:01 441:800 175:1290
4/26/2008 21:45:01 586:800 175:1290

4/27/2008 12:15:02 587:797 175:1306
4/27/2008 12:30:02 732:797 175:1307

Each time the upload increased 145MB. Then again on the 7th:

5/7/2008 20:15:02 655:884 257:3119
5/7/2008 20:30:01 812:883 257:3119

5/8/2008 05:00:01 812:883 258:3128
5/8/2008 05:15:01 969:883 258:3128

This time the increase was 157MB both times.

[rahmrh]

Originally Posted by Spice300

That's unusual. Even when uploading a file, the download usage increases a little. My FAP meter is not showing fictional upload usage like yours.

I had not though about the twist of their having to be some level of matching download to go with the upload.

On downloads I see around 1/10 upload traffic (ie 1MB upload for every 10MB of download) to service the download. I don't believe I have change my habits, almost everything I do is download, I don't do any significant uploads except to further the downloads.

I still have to wonder how many programming classes the person implementing the FAP program failed, this is not complicated stuff.

And I looked a bit further back, and there lots of weird upload spikes happening here is all spikes above 100MB from the last reading:

02/07/2008 08:17:41 462 before: 290
03/09/2008 04:17:41 723 before: 609
03/22/2008 00:18:15 572 before: 464
03/23/2008 00:17:41 589 before: 461
03/24/2008 01:17:41 594 before: 451
03/25/2008 00:17:41 607 before: 446
04/08/2008 00:16:18 497 before: 395
04/09/2008 00:16:22 504 before: 397
04/20/2008 00:16:21 557 before: 430
04/21/2008 00:16:20 557 before: 427
04/22/2008 00:33:30 557 before: 426
04/22/2008 03:31:34 610 before: 425
04/23/2008 00:16:20 742 before: 604
04/24/2008 00:16:18 743 before: 606
04/25/2008 00:16:19 743 before: 609
04/26/2008 00:16:19 743 before: 612
04/27/2008 00:31:38 743 before: 612
04/28/2008 00:16:17 743 before: 608
04/29/2008 00:16:18 743 before: 609
05/08/2008 00:30:46 765 before: 662
05/09/2008 16:15:52 848 before: 665
05/09/2008 17:30:46 1034 before: 848

Notice that a lot of the spikes are happening at the same time.

Roger

[newdish]

Has anyone ever tried a class action suit against WB about fake FAP stuff? Or any kind of lawsuit that was successful in getting internal documents through the legal discovery process or subpoenas?

[Merkwurdigliebe]

Originally Posted by newdish

Has anyone ever tried a class action suit against WB about fake FAP stuff? Or any kind of lawsuit that was successful in getting internal documents through the legal discovery process or subpoenas?

It's pointless to try and sue a corporation unless you are one and have more money than they do. You bring one lawyer, they bring ten. You have a job and a life and they know it.

You might find the Colorado Attorney General or the US Attorney better able to help. Many competent people have documented their continuing fraud for years. Getting them convicted on RICO or state fraud charges would be a good first step towards changing their business practices.